Unsafe climbers = someone who learnt to climb from friends
I was being asked to go climbing with by a climber who has no rope nor ATC. Being puzzled since I never dreamed of going to travel without a rope and expecting to climb, I asked advices to climbing community overseas. The answer was to say no to such climber.
Someone in Canada taught me this is also happening a lot in overseas including Canada,
It's maybe a shortage of Educational institutions to teach climbing properly.
This time, I found out that a proper climber is someone who learnt climbing in educational institution... (I myself learnt in Sangaku sougou center)
You can tell by their gear that they are not well educated.
I didn't know what to do with a guest climber who said she doesn't have a rope nor ATC, so I asked the international climbing community, "What do you guys do?"
I found that the consultation itself was a question that could separate the climbers who were doing it safely from the ones who weren't.
Difficulties
The difficult thing is, that nobody carries a full set of gear while travelling.
But without a rope... Rope is a vital piece of gear, and without it, you can't climb at all.
But someone who already established "trustworthy relationship" like long time partner, would say,
"you can come without a rope this time"
often, just to be nice. But still that is an offer, not your right.
If you are already in a relationship of mutual trust, you might say: 'This time you are exempt from the rope', but that is only when you are so sure having just one rope does not decrease the safety.
My background
I come from ice climbing background, but I rarely climbed with my own rope while climbing with my mentor, because he has gotten a 120m rope, meaning more convenient for 55m ice fall.
Nevertheless, every time I go climb with him, my rope was in my pac. I never showed up without it. When I lead, of course, I climbed with my own rope.
A single 120m rope is technically easier so using that rope was a part of risk management.
It was less risky than connecting two 60 m ropes, as there are no knot to connect them. If there is a knot, your belay gets complicated.
That was our mutual understanding. And I bought a belay device to match his rope.
Choosing a rope Length ... no1 risk control
Even at ordinary rock crags, a well-educated climber will check the length of the route or problem he wants to lead, and bring a rope that is suitable for that length. It is a primary risk management.
In general, in Japan, 50 metres used to be sufficient, but nowadays 60 metres is often required.
If you don't want to have a missing stopper knot accidents.
Back up rope?
If you're as clever as a climbing guide, you may have a 30m lightweight rope tucked away in your backpack, just in case. This is because it serves as a backup in case the main rope gets stuck or something.
When you say, "Oh no, I've got the rope stuck", you can not get it out...in such case, someone say, "I've got the back up rope", this is a truly cool guy!
Having no rope is forgivable, but no ATC is not.
Well, even in the international climber group, the advice from the proper climbers was "tell that travelling climber to keep travelling".
However, 70% of the climbers who travelled without ropes were so forgiving, it is a kindness toward a beginner. Because everyone was once a beginner, those who relied on the goodwill of other climbers... including myself.
Climbing on the goodwill of others paying nothing on your side, you can still improve your climbing grades but not a climbing skill itself...it takes your positive effort of trying to learn risk management.
Climbing grades do not indicate anything about that person's risk management skill and the risk management skill is what protect you.
It is not your grade nor expecting the strangers to have a good will without a concrete reason.
However, it should be noted that even within such a lax community,
No ATC is not allowed as a climber.
Having no rope seems already out of the question to me, but no ATC... is NONO to everyone. No matter what kind of lax climbing community you are in.
Checking unconscious assumptions.
Rather than verbal communication, non-verbal communication is important, such as, "not bringing gear" or "the way the person talks", are more indicative of what kind of climber they are. This is a true indication of the climber.
What I am currently researching is this unconscious assumption.
Assumption = unconscious.
so people take it for granted and often push that to the others.
Example:
No rope = unconscious assumption is that every rope is 100% safe.
→ Actually, no.
No ATC = unconsciousness is that all ATC are all the same.
→ In reality, the rope and ATC has compatibility.
Another possible assumption about not bringing an ATC is,
not wanting to belay,
This is probably more likely to be the case. This is probably top reason for climbers to be disrespected.
Belaying is a climber's duty and belayers are climbing gear.
You are in a position to be chosen as a belayer, and unless you are chosen, you cannot go climb.
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I had canceled XX cragging with my friends. It is too risky to take you there, and the crag only needs a good reputation for local tourism, not a risk.
You have made it clear that you have no intention of bringing your own rope.
Well, I can compromise, but you have neither an ATC nor your own belay device.
I cannot compromise on that.
I cannot put you in such a position without knowing what's going on.
I am so sorry; it was my misjudgment that I misunderstood you as an independent climber. My judgment is that you don't have the readiness that our crags require.
This is an HP for finding a climbing guide. I hope you have good luck!
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