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2024/10/15

For Someone who Wants to Climb Ogawayama and Mizugaki

Ogawayama is not easy-peasy climbing park

Ogawayama is recognized as No1 Japanese free climbing mecca. It has a long history, dark side and bright side. 

Climbing has gotten so popular overseas, outside Japan, so it has became an easy leisure there. 

But Ogawayama, still be somewhat "Classical"... meaning, 

 1) Easy grade does NOT mean safe 

 2) Grades are deceptive for those who trust the topobook

 3) Gym climber gets hard reality... outdoor 5.9 is NOT indoor 5.9

  With recent yen drop, so many people started to visit Japan and Japanese crags... expecting the same easy going holiday fun as in their home... like

1) If you go to a crag, any crag, there will be very friendly people out there and you can join them

2) You can just follow them and climb what everyone else climbs

 Those two ways of being in the crags are more or less American's way and in Japan especially, Ogawayama, you will be considered being lazy. 

Japanese climbing culture is very much stricter than how American climbs nowadays... I suppose it must be due to popularity, but Japanese way is more like classical Yosemite style where indoor gym 5.13 climber dies in 5.9 in Yosemite.

Ogawayama's unsaid policy are;

1) You have to pick what you climb because it is your responsibility

2) You have to at least bring your rope up to the anchor so you don't need anybody to clean up

3) Stick clip is cheating, including the huge runout, it's the climb. It's the grade. 

As a result of this strict "Climber's responsibility policy", most people follow popular steps to climb up the ladder of Ogawayama Climbing... 

i.e. we don't pick the routes randomly... or should I say, a random pick of the routes are not really allowed unless you climb 5.13 or above, because most of 5.9 are developed by 5.12 above climbers so it can be 5.10c when the topo book says 5.9. 

This is especially difficult to know beforehand when you are a Gym Climber, since in the climbing gym, 5.10c are pretty easy, anybody can climb. Even 5.12 are easy, a young male climber can climb in one day. But not in Ogawayama. 

The difficulty starts from 5.9(now rated 5.10a) 

and the difficulty starts from 5.9 in Ogawayama. That's the problematic. Since 5.9 are world-widely considered as the climb you would be able to climb knowing no climbing moves and climbing ABC's... No. Japanese 5.9 are very hard. Because of historical reason. 

I would not go into explaining the historical reason but Japan's 5.9 includes all the way up to 5.12.   

Nowadays, new topo book put one grades up for the ex-5.9, for example, famous Ogawayama Layback 5.9 is now 5.10a... and I think it is a wise thing to do... but it also failed to tell the reader of new topo, there were so many death accidents who tried that route as the first trad in his/her life... it shouldn't be. 

Ogawayama layback is 5.10a if you have trad training somewhere else. 

I was trained Yukawa trad climbing crag and climbed the Ogawayama Layback, etc...  

Like this, Ogawayama is the climbing park rather considered for someone already have outdoor climbing training. 

Mizugaki 

Mizugaki is more like so. It is considered expert crag. 

For beginners 

If you are inexperienced climber, go to Yugawara makuiwa or Saiko, which are considered for beginners. In near Tokyo, Hiwada crag is also popular.  In Mitsutouge crag, it is accessible by the train, there were some beginner's area(but bolts are old). 

Ogawayama is considered for someone who already can acknowledge the risks of outdoor climbing and can manage them by himself/herself, so the climb is hard and dangerous. 

It is not like the overseas crags where everyone gather and hangout and kind friendly people says "Do you like to climb this one before I pull the rope?"

That will never happen there. 

I found the good lists of climbing routes here... 

Use this one. Climb easy to hard. Mind the comments, especially about protections.

 https://www.akatsuki-climbing.com/%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88%E7%B4%B9%E4%BB%8B%E5%B0%8F%E5%B7%9D%E5%B1%B1/

I think his comments are very good.

Realign the routes from easy 5.7 to difficult and see how you feel. 

Is it truly feels like 5.9?  If you are my level, 5.10XX climber, it will feel pretty hard I bet!

I was trained in Ogawayama so I felt the other crags... in Kyushu, pretty easy, when I climbed 5.9 in the Kyushu crags I onsighted them without much hard time, but I saw so many gym climbers are having hard time, scared of the huge runouts, even when I feel easy.

            This is how 5.9 looks like in Ogawayama  


5.9 under recommended routes

https://www.dimountainphotos.com/entry/ogawa-5.9 

The web site says... Can you google translate below? See what I mean?

※小川山の5.9以下のグレードで、なおかつトポで★マークが付くようなルートは、ボルトが離れていたり、NP(ナチュラルプロテクション)が必要だったりします。リードで登るとなると、他の岩場よりもいくらかリスクが高いルートもあるので、クライミング初心者がグレードだけ見て安易に取り付くのは危ない場合があります

Accidents 

https://www.big.or.jp/~arimochi/info.99.10.18.achp1.html

General information of Ogawayama 

http://kawakami.ne.jp/ogawayama/2020/08/

2019/07/22

Ogawayama a Climbing Guide

I could not find a proper Ogawayama climbing guide that I can send to my climber friends abroad so I think I should write some here.

1) Where is Ogawayama?

It's in Nagano Prefecture, in Kanto.  NOT in Tokyo. Tokyo is a maga city, it's huge and there are houses and houses...endlessly.  Think of Tokyo, a sort of Asian version of NY.  Although Tokyo has some smaller crags, like Okutama, most climbers in Tokyo metropolitan area, prefers to go to Ogawayama.

2) What is Ogawayama?

Ogawayama is considered a mecca in free climbing in Japan.

So the visitors in Japan has to pick up the only one place in Japan to climb, I would suggest it is Ogawayama.

http://w2.avis.ne.jp/~mawarime/access_map.htm

Mawarime Taira Camp site in Kawakami village is where you want to go ultimately.  The station name  is "Shinano Kawakami".

3) OK, how do I get there?

There is several ways to get there.

Most popular is to get there by car from Tokyo, by car share. The negative side is car traffic jam. Like most big city, Tokyo's traffic jam is very bad, you can end up spending more time in car than in climbing itself. If there is not much traffic, from Tokyo to Ogawayama is 3.5 hours to 4 hours.  This option is good for local residents but most costly for visitors and probably very stressful.

To solve this problem, many people choose to get on a train.  Train you will have two choices.  To get there by Yamanashi side or Saku side.

To get there from Yamanashi side, you will have to get on Chuou Line (JR train). Chuo line has, express train called Azusa and if you get on Azusa, you can save time. Many student climbers prefer to pay less, spend time more on train, that case cost is relatively low, like half.

You will have to get off Kobuchi sawa JR station then transfer to Koumi Line, the go to Shinano Kawakami Station.

The problem is Koumi line is not so frequent enough... there will be a train  in a hour, so it will not be time efficient. So many people try to get hitch hike or car share  from the Kobuchi sawa Station. 

There is a bus from Shinano Kawakami to somewhat close to Mawarime Taira camp site but it does not goes to the camp site it self. So I think it is best you call cab from the station to Mawarime Taira camp site.

The other way is from Saku and there is Shinkansen (bullet train) from Tokyo to Saku, or a bus. Shinkansen is easy and comfortable and only takes about an hour.  Bus is cheap, a half price, double time.

From Sakutaira Shinkansen Station, you will have to transfer to Koumi Line and the rest is the same.

4) Where can I find topo?

Here is some Link.
http://www.kawakami.ne.jp/ogawayama/top.html

http://www.kawakami.ne.jp/ogawayama/area_map_je/areamap_new_j.html

http://www.kawakami.ne.jp/ogawayama/area_map_je/Ap_Map/e_ogawayama_a4.pdf
http://www.kawakami.ne.jp/ogawayama/classics/selection003.pdf

5) Accommodation?

Kinpu sanso provides accommodation too. 6800 JPY for breakfast and dinner,  one night.
http://w2.avis.ne.jp/~mawarime/mountain_cottage.htm

They will rent camping goods. 2000 yen for a tent including camping fee.
http://w2.avis.ne.jp/~mawarime/rental.htm

This illustrates situation well.
http://mfc-outdoor.com/camp/mawarime/


The cost is mostly train.

Tokkyu Azusa train, Tokyo to Kobuchi sawa, 4574 JPY.
Koumi line Kobuchi sawa station to Shinano Kawakami station.  580JPY

So about 10,000 yen for a round trip.

or

Tokyo To Sakudaira by Shinkansen 6540 JPY.  OR bus 2200 JPY.
Koumi line Sakutaira  station to Shinano Kawakami station.  760JPY.

So about 6,000 or 14,000 yen for a round trip.

Cab from Shinano Kawakami to Mawarimetaira Camp site is half an hour ride.

■ A model case (Sakudaira)

By Shinkansen

Tokyo - Sakudaira  6450 JPY  6:52 - 08:16
https://www.jorudan.co.jp/norikae/cgi/nori.cgi?Sok=1&pg=0&Dym=201907&Ddd=26&Dhh=6&Dmn=26&eki1=%E6%9D%B1%E4%BA%AC&eok1=R-&eki2=%E4%BD%90%E4%B9%85%E5%B9%B3&eok2=R-&C1=0&C2=0&C3=0&C4=0&C6=2&C18=0&Cfp=1&Cway=0&rf=nr&Add=5#bR1

Koumi Line  Sakudaira to Shinano Kawakami  8:31 ‐9:57 760JPY
https://time.ekitan.com/train/TimeStation/80-24_D1.shtml

発着時間:06:28発 → 09:58着 
総額:7,190円 
距離:204.4km 
■東京 20番線発
|  はくたか551号(E7/W7系)(金沢行) 164.4km 
|  06:28-07:43[75分] 
|  3,670円( 指定席 3,520円 ) ◇佐久平 [48分待ち] 
|  小海線(小淵沢行) 40.0km |  08:31-09:58[87分] |   ↓ ■信濃川上
■ A Model case (Yamanashi Kobuchi sawa)

Shinjuku to Kobuchi sawa 06:43 ‐9:43 3024 JPY 
https://www.jorudan.co.jp/norikae/cgi/nori.cgi?Sok=1&pg=0&Dym=201907&Ddd=26&Dhh=5&Dmn=53&eki1=%E6%96%B0%E5%AE%BF&eok1=R-&eki2=%E5%B0%8F%E6%B7%B5%E6%B2%A2&eok2=R-&C1=0&C2=0&C3=0&C4=0&C6=2&C18=0&Cfp=1&Cway=0&rf=nr&Add=10#bR3

Kobuchi sawa to Shinano Kawakami 10:06 ‐ 10:51 580 JPY
https://www.navitime.co.jp/stoplist/?TCode=8082000b&RCode=00000147&SCode=00003757&type=1&Year=2019&Month=07&Day=26&Hour=07&Min=48&from=timetable

発着時間:06:28発 → 10:51着 
総額:5,870円 
距離:194.9km 

 ■新宿 9番線発  
|  あずさ71号(松本行) 163.4km (Azusa) 
|  06:28-08:40[132分] 
|  3,670円( 指定席 2,200円 ) 
|  小海線(小諸行) 31.5km 
|  10:06-10:51[45分] 
|   ↓ ■信濃川上